do you ever cook something in the microwave but it’s still really cold in the middle and you just keep eating it instead of heating it longer because life is pointless and entropy is unavoidable and the universe is filled with callous and casual destruction
this speaks to me on a spiritual level it’s so true
D’ARTAGNAN IS TRYING TO SQUEEZE BY PORTHOS IN A NARROW STREET AND IT’S LIKE THE UH EXCUSE ME OH NO YOU FIRST UH OH THANKS
EXCEPT EVEN MORE AWKWARD BECAUSE THE WIND BLOWS PORTHOS’ CLOAK AROUND D’ARTAGNAN AND HE GETS WRAPPED UP LIKE A FUCKING NOOB BURRITO
I CAN’T EVEN DO IT JUSTICE JUST
But at the street gate, Porthos was talking with the soldier on guard. Between the two talkers there was just enough room for a man to pass. D’Artagnan thought it would suffice for him, and he sprang forward like a dart between them. But d’Artagnan had reckoned without the wind. As he was about to pass, the wind blew out Porthos’s long cloak, and d’Artagnan rushed straight into the middle of it. Without doubt, Porthos had reasons for not abandoning this part of his vestments, for instead of quitting his hold on the flap in his hand, he pulled it toward him, so that d’Artagnan rolled himself up in the velvet by a movement of rotation explained by the persistency of Porthos.
"Bless me!" cried Porthos, making strong efforts to disembarrass himself of d’Artagnan, who was wriggling about his back; "you must be mad to run against people in this manner."
AND PORTHOS IS EMBARRASSED BC D’ARTAGNAN GOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO SEE THAT HIS CLOAK’S EMBELLISHMENT ISN’T REAL GOLD SO HE GETS ALL PISSY AND CHALLENGES HIM TO A FIGHT FOR “HONOR”
THIS WHOLE BOOK SO FAR IS ABOUT MEN FEELING LIKE THEY’RE GETTING LAUGHED AT AND STARTING FIGHTS ABOUT IT
Maybe we should ask Tag if they too think it’s a French thing or not XD
Um, thecutestscribeoferebor, we were wondering… What is your opinion, as someone who is French, do French people find French media, movies, books and such, as peculiar as everyone else seems to?
what do you mean peculiar?
if you mean boring as shit, yeah?XD (okay, no, that’s my opinion)(though it’s a bit of a joke that a lot of French novels and films are over intellectual to the point of being boring)
hmm, maybe that’s it…?
All the weirdest things always seem to come from French movies/books. Does it seem odd because we aren’t French or do they enjoy these things?
Do you have examples though? Because there’s two types of French media, roughly.
On the one hand, you have Proust and Godard level of things: Highly intellectual, it’s those “art for the sake of art” things and we often like to make fun of these. They are not easily accessible to the spectator, and are often slow and difficult to understand. Some people greatly enjoy them though, and are as fanatic about it as I could be about Tolkien’s work. But also a lot of people just make fun of it.
Then, there’s the less heavy stuff, like “bienvenue chez les ch’tit”, or “ls visiteurs”. We have a certain tradition of humoristic films and these are usually widely enjoyed, though at the same time, they are criticised by intellectuals because their humour is usually very… slapstick I guess you could say?
So, tldr: yeah, there’s stuff made by French People that we can’t stand either…XD
Hi, sorry to hijack the question but as a French native now living in Ireland and teaching French there, I found it very interesting…
I don’t know if that’s exactly the answer you’re looking for, but I find that there is indeed a difference in the way French works (especially films) are made and perceived compared to English-speaking works (UK and US for instance).
First thing is : the ratings. Something that would be rated 16 in Ireland for instance (which is usually the same rating as in England, and I think roughly the same as in the US) would reach a mere 12 in France. The (usual) reason ? French movies/shows are much more casual with nudity (and swearing as well).
I think it might be one of the reasons you find French movies so weird. I mean, I know that whenever I show some of my students a French movie, the nudity (and, sometimes, the swearing) really weirds them out.
There’s also differences in the pacing, and in the way stories are constructed. So yeah, basically, you’re used to very different things than we are (even on your TVs, though I don’t know where you OPs are from, but like in Ireland we get British TVs and I find it very different most of the time)
Now, personnally, I’m not a big fan of French movies. Tagath hit right with their classification : either very deep artsy work or big slapstick comedies. None of these usually work for me, though sometimes I’ll find something that will.
I don’t know if I answered your question, and sorry again for interrupting, it’s just something I really like investigating myself…
I’d be interested in examples too. I mean, I know nothing about French movies, but French books don’t look especially weird to me.
I mean, there are some very cool and very weird French or French-Belgian things, like Les Shadoks or Téléchat or some very oniric comics like Philémon. But they’re the exception, not the rule, and in any country you can find weird things if you search for them.
French government is all about protecting the french film industry because of the cultural exception, but everytime I go to the movies, watch the trailers and there comes a boring film that you’ve seen the entire plot in 1 minute30 seconds, you’re right, that’s a french film. I don’t watch tv, I never watch french series because they are so bad ! How is it possible in such a country to have such lousy uninteresting television and movies ? There is no script, no witty lines, no original plot, the actors are horrible, I mean it, semi-pro TV series are better.
Of course there are some exceptions, but for one Kaamelott how many Pause-Café do you have to suffer through, and don’t even talk to me about Scènes de Ménage I’ll choke a puppy in my rage. The last good french movie I saw was Asterix and Obelix : Mission Cléopatre, eons ago, not exactly a rival to the simplicity and complexity of a Pan’s Labyrinth.
Let’s face it it’s like that in other medias like comics, how many Lanfeust for one Mytho ?
Let me bore everyone for a minute
There used to be scriptwriters for the cinema in France, ones like Michel Audiard, for example.
Then came the 70s and the Nouvelle Vague movement, of young filmmakers (the likes of Jean-Luc Godard) who wanted to be rid of the studios and their demands and brought a lot of technical innovations, new ways of filming and new ideas with them (which was all well and good, since the Nouvelle Vague movement later inspired great American filmmakers like one Steven Spielberg). One of these ideas is the notion of the “author” of a film, which according to the artists of the Nouvelle Vague, is none other than the director of the film — as in, not the scripwriter, not the filming crew, not the studios. Which is an arguable point of view, but anyway that idea stuck for good; the downside of it is that it took away the importance of a scriptwriter and the fact that a scriptwriter is also an author. Most Nouvelle Vague artists tended to make without a scritpwriter anyway, so they could really claim the parternity of the film for themselves.
Until today when a French filmmaker wants to make a film, he tends to write it himself (that is, when it’s not a huge “blockbuster” stupid comedy thing that are generally commands from producers). When a person who only writes scripts wants his scripts turned into a film, he generally has to do it himself. Problem is, even if there would be people good at both, those are two different jobs that require different skills, and generally you can have one without having the other.
The other thing that I generally don’t like about French films is that they don’t want to tell a story. They don’t build characters, they generally throw psychological archetypes and explore their neuroses, they don’t have a climax, they don’t have a satisfying ending, and most of them are pretentious without much substance. It’s okay not wanting to tell a story and try for something different, the problem is that nowadays the “different” in the French films tends to be all the same and repetitive and boring (because we don’t have good, innovative, intesting scriptwriters that are praised for their work as scriptwriters, so they just feed off things that have been made before, it’s the same model repeted all over that has been depleted of all its meaning).
One of my favourite contemporary French filmmakers is Jacques Audiard, with films like De battre mon coeur s’est arrêté, Sur mes lèvres and Un prophète because they’re high-brow but with substance and without being pretentious (I heard that his last film, De rouille et d’os, kind of jumped the shark - or the orca, hahaha - and actually was a bit pretentious but I haven’t seen it). To me he’s one of the few actually trying to tell a story with his films, and not one we’ve seen over and over and over with the same archetypes — but his father was Michel Audiard, one of the greatest scriptwriters of the 60s before the Nouvelle Vague hit and when scriptwriters were actually considered important so maybe this explains that; Jacques Audiard is probably an exception.
We generally tend not to have middle-ground films in France either, intelligent mainstream as I call it, not too high-brow but not too dumb either. Although maybe that’s changing because I’ve seen Intouchables with François Cluzet and Omar Sy and thought that was actually good, and the fact that people went massively to see it means that the public is starting to crave something new in that department I guess.
As for French literature, I haven’t read a good book written by a French writer in a very long time. Recent and wildly popular books such as L’élégance du hérisson just gave me fits of rage, they’re mostly appallingly bad and I don’t know where it comes from; my personal opinion used to be that in French literature today there’s too much nepotism and journalists pretending to be writers (again, two wildly different jobs), but I don’t know anymore. Again, the problem probably dates back to the 70s.
Bear in mind that for all the talks of the French about Republic and atheism, France is still a deeply Catholic and royalist country (even if France itself might not be aware of that) and thus believing in strict hierarchy. People tend not to put authority in question, and when something is high-brow and pretentious, they don’t meet a lot of critique because people tend not to challenge it for fear of being called stupid or illiterate (I usually say that’s why in Top Chef France the team challenges always work better than in the US Top Chef; once the people in the team recognize the figure of authority, i.e. the better cook, they don’t question it and work under their orders very efficiently — the brigade de cuisine is, after all, a French invention. In the US Top Chef there’s always fights to be top dog on the team and people want to do their own thing; invidually, they shine, but in a team it tends to be more chaotic. “Self-made man” is a myth that’s extremely opposed to French sensitivity; you can’t just grab authority, it has to be given, conceded to you to be recognized and accepted. That’s what I think about French mentality anyway).
I don’t even know what point I was making anymore but yeah, main point of tl;dr : we don’t really have middle-range/intelligent mainstream stuff in France and it’s a shame, but it’s probably changing as we speak (I hope).
me at home:i've been wearing the same jeans and band shirt for the last three weeks but it still smells alright so i'll keep wearing it
me going away:I NEED ONE SHIRT FOR EACH DAY AND EXTRA IN CASE IT GETS DIRTY AND THE SAME AMOUNT OF JEANS AND SOCKS ACTUALLY NO I'LL NEED EXTRA SOCKS IN CASE IT FLOODS AND DOUBLE THE UNDERWEAR IN CASE OF DISASTER AND ONE NICE OUTFIT IN CASE I GET INVITED TO TEA WITH THE QUEEN
“When I first got this role I just cried like a baby because I was like, “Wow, next Halloween, I’m gonna open the door and there’s gonna be a little kid dressed as the Falcon.” That’s the thing that always gets me. I feel like everybody deserves that. I feel like there should be a Latino superhero. Scarlett does great representation for all the other girls, but there should be a Wonder Woman movie. I don’t care if they make 20 bucks, if there’s a movie you’re gonna lose money on, make it Wonder Woman. You know what I mean, ’cause little girls deserve that.”—Anthony Mackie (via rexilla)
it’s officially illegal to kill off female characters just to generate manpain and motivate the hero sorry i don’t make the rules
Oh yeah, you’re so right! It’s such an outrage that “manpain” is the central point of In Search of Lost Time, probably the greatest novel ever written! What could we do? Burn it? Pretend it never existed? Oh! Maybe we could rewrite it and kill the Narrator instead of the Grandmother and Albertine! I’m open to suggestions. After all, it’s only Marcel Proust.
Yes and Lamartine had to kill what’s her name to write “Le lac”. But this is the 21st century and we are tired of being dead. Let’s Proust be Proust, there is no changing it now, and let’s demand that the artists of our time stop putting women out of their stories. Let them give feeling to men without killing women !
can u imagine living in someone’s house for three months and never meeting them well guess who can THAT’S RIGHT D’ARTAGNAN
this dude comes into his rooms like “oh man you gotta help me!!” and d’artagnan is broke as fuck so he’s like alright alright is there money involved
the guy is like SO MUCH MONEY IF YOU FIND MY KIDNAPPED WIFE
they go on like this for four pages before the guy mentions his name is bonacieux and d’artagnan is like “hmm why does that sounds familiar”
“MAYBE IT’S BECAUSE YOU’VE BEEN LIVING IN MY HOUSE FOR 3 MONTHS WITHOUT PAYING ME DICKWAD, I’M YOUR FUCKING LANDLORD" says bonacieux (paraphrased)
i love how the bbc version has d’artagnan falling in love with constance in the first ep and in the book he’s like an unknown woman in DANGER? whatevs as long as you pay me
but no the funniest part is that d’artagnan rounds up the other three to help and they go at it SO INTENSELY, like everyone is taken aback by how intense they are because they are usually DEADBEATS
Athos had even gone so far as to question M. de Treville—a thing which, considering the habitual reticence of the worthy Musketeer, had very much astonished his captain.
CAN U IMAGINE ATHOS GRILLING TREVILLE LIKE “WHERE WERE YOU TWO NIGHTS AGO WHEN THIS WOMAN WAS KIDNAPPED” AND TREVILLE BEING LIKE ??? I’M GLAD YOU’RE FOCUSING ON A THING FOR ONCE ATHOS BUT ??? I’M YOUR BOSS ??
“Twilight has problems with misogyny and with abusive relationships. I don’t want to sugar-coat that. But if you, dear reader, are going around saying that Twilight is proof that girls are all stupid-heads who want a brooding vampire to stalk and abuse them, then you are being misogynistic.
In all my years of life, I have never heard anyone seriously speculate that the popularity of femme fatales in fiction means that all men secretly yearn for an abusive relationship; yet in the time since Twilight was released, I have heard the meme that all girls wish to be abused more times than I can count. This is a failure of understanding the difference between fantasy and reality, and it is a “failure” that conveniently props up existing misogynistic narratives about how women who stay with abusers stay because they secretly want to be abused rather than because they are groomed (by both their abuser and the larger society) to stay with their abuser, and because society does not empower them to leave. This is a comforting lie we tell ourselves because it’s easier to blame abuse victims than acknowledge that we are failing them.”—